Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Trevorpen » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:08 pm

Clearly you fail to grasp what is being sought. There will be no extra tier of governance. The UA will become the Assembly, with a bit of reorganisation. With local control over local affairs, there will be appreciable savings.
So p_trembath the council in Cornwall already control local spending that's their job. Where will the savings be made? .... and if the voting was the same as now for example, it would be led by the Conservatives?

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by P_Trembath » Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:38 pm

Trevorpen wrote: So p_trembath the council in Cornwall already control local spending that's their job. Where will the savings be made?


I said local affairs, and yes that does include spending. At the moment, there is little local control over much of local spending, with the UA having to adhere to central rules and guidelines. An assembly would, hopefully, have a lot more control over the making of these rules and guidelines, making them applicable to local needs and requirements.

Trevorpen wrote: .... and if the voting was the same as now for example, it would be led by the Conservatives?
Whats your point, if that is how people choose to vote, then that is what they will get.


(As an aside, it's P_Trembath, not p_trembath.)
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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Trevorpen » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:21 pm

(As an aside, it's P_Trembath, not p_trembath.)
Apologies for that P_T
I think an Assembly (if in the unlikely event of it ever coming into being) will just be a re-badging of a unitary council as a unitary council is of a county council.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Rosko » Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:30 pm

My God!! TrevorPen, you genuinely don't understand the difference between the current UA and a Cornish assembly?!!! You're more stupid than I realised. Sorry, I shouldn't have been impatient with you in the past. I honestly didn't realise your very real limitations on these matters....

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Ludgvan » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:41 am

Click on the link below for a blogpost from the Cornish Republican - 'What do the Tories and the BBC have in common?'

http://thecornishrepublican.blogspot.co ... ommon.html

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Ludgvan » Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:12 pm

Unfortunately for them, and for Cornwall, the maverick pair, Eustice and Newton have been littering the Western Morning News today with their jibberish.

They try to backpedal from their previous ill-advised and divisive rants but only serve to entrench themselves further:

http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Tory-MP ... story.html

Meanwhile, George Eustice who should by now know better (unless he is the sort of person who cannot hone political and communication skills) also launches into a pointless and spiteful attack on Stephen Gilbert in the letters page.

It's irresponsible, it's amateur and it's selfish. Where are Cornwall's best interests in this picking fights for the sake of it?

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Rosko » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:54 am

Eustice & Newton are only interested in Cornwall's best interests, if these pass the crucial politician's gold standard test: do these best interests serve me well both politically & financially? If the answer to BOTH of these is not unequivocally YES, then they will steer well clear of Cornwall's best interests.
It's a simple rule that has served MPs very well for a very long time....

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by TeamKernow » Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:50 am

Could it possibly be that George & Mildred were over-eager to impress
their leader over his coffee and croissants during his
:idea: sojourn at Daymaaaaaaaaaaaah Bay :idea: ?


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Of course, their leader 'Dave' is also a liar, opportunist and hypocrite who fails to follow through.
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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by roy999 » Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:05 am

Never to be trusted Tory. Here he is misleading us just to get our vote. As for Newton & Eustice they have certainly pinned there colours.

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Post by Marhak » Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:11 pm

He's not misleading us. He's blatantly lying to us through the over-privileged teeth that many of us would dearly like to ram through the back of his brass neck.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Ludgvan » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:32 pm

Excellent blogpost from Coserg:

Comment: One of the main reasons why Cornwall needs its own Assembly is so it can plan, develop and evolve in such a way as to meet the needs of its people. Developing policies based on what is relevant, meaningful and appropriate for Cornwall rather than following policies designed elsewhere to meet different needs and established under different circumstances.

Cornwall cannot resolve many of the issues it faces while constrained by a ‘Whitehall knows best mindset.’ For example, working within the current centralised planning system has led to unsustainable population growth with its attendant problems including a poorer environment and a lack of affordable housing.

Cornwall needs to be able to develop the capacity to formulate its own policy options; to be innovative in the formulation, design and implementation of initiatives; to be able to co-operate with other regions and nations in meeting common agreed goals of such as sustainability; to build on best practice, learn and facilitate appropriate policies.

An Assembly is a vehicle for change, for progress and the development of sensible and reasoned policy making. Promoting a dependency culture by adopting the objectives, inward looking vision and failed policy prescriptions of an increasingly backward looking state is not an option.


http://coserginfo.wordpress.com/2012/08 ... -assembly/

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Mark » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:38 pm

It's hard to see why anyone wouldn't want to be a part of it.
The nay-sayers are always accusing the 'nationalists' of being backward-looking and self-serving(?!) by wanting an assembly but the only way you couldn't think this was good for Cornwall is by having a 'self-serving' agenda...
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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Fulub-le-Breton » Thu Aug 30, 2012 8:55 pm

I'd add that the Tories in Cornwall are always trying to walk a fin line between the Cornish and English/British identities. We all have seen how they try to play their Cornish credentials from time to time to win votes. Equally the Tories must also play to another large segment of their electorate in the Duchy namely the firmly English who have no time for any Cornish shenanigans and who are stirred up to fever pitch by the thought of Scottish independence. "The Cornish Assembly campaign is bad" is just what they wanted to hear.

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Ludgvan » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:10 pm

Click on the link below to see the open letter Bert Biscoe sent to Sarah Newton:

http://www.cornishassembly.org/OpenLett ... viii12.pdf

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Re: Can Cornwall Trust the 3 Tory MPs?

Post by Rosko » Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:44 pm

Good work, Bert... Thank you.

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