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Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by 3cornishchoughs » Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:33 am

You will all have read the press reports on Cornwall Council Cabinet's plans to ignore a majority motion to halt plans for a "Strategic Partnership" to deliver public services in Cornwall. I just wanted to post information here so you can write to Cabinet Members to register your protest against this.

1. Cornwall Council Cabinet Members and contact details:

http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=20247

I have already written collectively to them. Pressure from constituents can work. I raised objections on the following:

1. Ignoring the majority of Cornwall's elected representatives is unethical and undemocratic.
2. Outsourcing of services is anti-Cornish. Public funds and Cornish council tax payers' contributions being used to line the pockets of remote shareholders.
3. In 10 years you will dismantle the entire infrastructure of public services in Cornwall.
4. What experience do BT and Computer Sciences Corporation have in running public services?
5. You are selling off public accountability. We as voters have no say in their boardrooms. We can vote councillors out but not company directors.

1. Cornwall Council official press release on Strategic Partnership:

http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=32041

Note this statement: "We know that we are capable of selling these services to other local authorities and organisations, and working with a private sector partner would allow us to bid for external contracts, creating and retaining jobs in Cornwall."

2. Press report stating that two of the preferred bidders are BT and Computer Sciences Corporation (be afraid):

http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Cornwal ... story.html

3. Councillors who have written publicly on the motion to stop this move:

Andrew Wallis: http://www.cllrandrewwallis.co.uk/ including a petition set up to stop shared services proposals.
Graham Walker: http://cllrgwalker.blogspot.co.uk/
Stephen Richardson: http://illoganblogger.blogspot.fr/
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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by 3cornishchoughs » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:42 pm

You can also sign the petition here:

http://www.freepetition.co.uk/cornwall/ ... 2012184221
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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by GrahamHart » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:20 pm

The rise of fascism continues at a rate all over the world; as do revolutionary groups fighting against it.

Cornwall Council has ALWAYS been a private company.
Dun & Bradstreet lists over 160 million companies worldwide. Look at the top of this link and in the top left hand corner it says "Company Search Results"

http://creditreports.dnb.com/webapp/wcs ... pbar#goTop

With that in mind, what is the petition(which I've signed) for ? Being more blasé and in your face ? :?

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Post by Roger Lowry » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:37 pm

I saw this open letter on ThisisCornwall - it then disappeared as far as I could tell. I copied it to Cornwall Councillors with appropriate comment.....

Dear Mr Lavery and Mr Masters,
I am appalled to hear of the decision of the Cabinet of Cornwall Council to persist with plans for a sweeping privatisation of Council Services. This is a flagrantly un-democratic decision, which shows contempt for all those councillors who voted by 46 votes to 29 against such a decision. Since they are our elected representatives, it does not, by extension, display much respect for Cornish Council Tax payers like myself either. Nor does it show much care for Council staff who have served us well for years and who will be adversely affected by the proposed changes.
When such sweeping changes are in the wind one would expect the Council to try to negotiate the broadest possible consensus in favour of change, and yet here we have a powerful vote against the proposed changes and a Cabinet of just ten men decide to simply ignore it. This seems to me the behaviour of a Government quango or new town development corporation, not an elected body which would have us believe it is a nascent National Assembly.
If the mass of the Cornish People, through their representatives, disagree with the Government inspired attitude that private enterprise is the only way forward, and social and civic enterprise is moribund, that is just too bad for the Conservative elements in the Council. May I remind you that the Council answers to those who elected its decision makers, The Cornish People and not the politicians in London. If what Westminster wants runs against the Peoples' will, it is our Council Leaders' job to resist it, regardless of party loyalties; otherwise they lose all meaningful legitimacy. I urge you to reconsider this decision and respect the views of your fellow councillors.
Edward H Curry. (This is an open letter as a matter of common concern)

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by GrahamHart » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:45 pm

And so it goes on Roger. When will this fascism ever end ? When we use Article 61 of the Magna Carta. LAWFUL REBELLION !
How could we do this ? By 'with-holding' our Council Tax. Let's see how this fraudulent Corporation would manage then.

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Post by Marhak » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:54 am

Has anyone noticed that our apparent "public authority" Cornwall Council is listed in Company House records as a private company? Apart from the obvious implications and concerns, public bodies are required to comply with the Freedom of Information Act. Private companies are not.

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Post by 3cornishchoughs » Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:16 pm

Find out how your Cornwall Councillor voted on this issue:

http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Cornwal ... story.html
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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by GrahamHart » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:18 pm

Interesting from the POV that it doesn't effect FOI requests at present, but could change if this goes through.

Use this link to check out any 'alleged' public body http://www.dnb.com/#expand Type for example, 'Devon and Cornwall Police in the search box [top right] and tick the 'Other Business' box. Change the Country to United Kingdom and search. You will be amazed at what you find.

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Post by Marhak » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:36 pm

It strikes me that, if Kremlin Kernow "outsources" all its services, it'll deprive itself of any reason to demand Council Tax from us......

Choughs - that only lists the Full Council vote where a near 2-1 majority voted against the "outsourcing' lunacy. What we want to see is a published list of the Cabinet members, and especially those who voted to raise the middle finger to due democratic process, and push ahead with it regardless. Mainly so that we can all publicly name and shame those responsible for disenfranchising us even further.

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by Marhak » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:38 pm

And to push like hell for their overdue, but justifed, removal from politics at next year's elections.

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by 3cornishchoughs » Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:08 pm

As far as I can tell only one spoke with caution about this move, Jim Currie. I don't know when their actual decision-making will be taking place but I expect they will close ranks and so we may not get to find out who eventually pushes it through. With this ridiculous 'Strong Leader' structure it probably only requires the signature of Alec Robertson on the contracts with the support of two-thirds. More about the Strong Leader model:

http://www.aldc.org/editorial/1116/01/1 ... overnment

So far none have acknowledged or replied to my letter of 10 Sep.

Re: Local authorities as listed companies. I don't know when this came about. I have worked for three local authorities in the past and I had some vague notion that it was a requirement for a council's trading activities (even selling things like composting bins) so they would fit in with the fiscal system but my knowledge is not good on the subject. What else can be hidden through this function I don't know. They certainly don't make for effective commercial enterprises because that's not what local authorities were set up for so we are now ending up with the worst of both worlds. None of the county unitary authorities are performing well since the 2009 change. It was abundantly clear then that the 'get rid of layers of bureaucracy' were misleading and wrong. It ended up removing effective borough and district authorities as well as the less effective ones.

The outsourcing/privatisation will definitely affect FOIs.
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Post by 3cornishchoughs » Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:12 pm

Scare tactics employed to mute critics:

http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Legal-w ... story.html
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Post by Marhak » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:01 am

I read the letter, and it was bully-boy stuff. Not that their spokesman is any stranger to that.

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Post by GrahamHart » Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:03 pm

From the above link: But Cabinet member Graeme Hicks said: "I do not accept that these are scare tactics; I believe they are offered to you in very good faith."

Ho ! Ho ! Ho ! Ho ! Ho ! :twisted:

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by Rosko » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:27 am

Graeme hicks has once again disappointed...
From a genuine Cornish leader, just a few years ago, he's now no better than others in playing silly politics, and in doing so, more often than not, betraying the Cornish.
By the way, BT are absolutely shocking in their ineptitude, innefficiency & incompetence. I wouldn't trust them to run the comms for an under 5s play group. It's no wonder some councillors are skeptical about this private 'partnership'.
Good on walker for speaking up and speaking out. Wish more councillors and the guts and moral fibre to stand up to some of these shady deals. Sadly, many have benefitted nicely for too long, eg Varney, to start biting the corrupt hand that feeds their greed...

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