Cornwall Council Privatisation

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by Marhak » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:06 pm

I'm getting heavily annoyed. I've been asking, all over the place, for the names of the Cabinet to be published, especially those who specifically voted to overthrow democracy, and all I'm getting is abject, pathetic silence. What's the matter with people? Are they afraid to name and shame, and then campaign to throw the buggers out at next year's elections? What reprisals do they fear? What can these Cabinet pipsqueaks realistically do to you, for Heaven's sake?

By the way, I now hear that they've done it a second time - this time going against Full Council on the waste disposal issue.

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by Ludgvan » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:08 pm

Kaczmarek voted against, Currie abstained.

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by Ludgvan » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:21 pm

It's well known that Lavery used to be CEO of Serco Solutions and that Serco controls a siceable slice of the service delivery in Cornwall.

One of the two companies shortlisted by the Council for the 'public/private partnership' is BT - where Lavery used to have a very senior position as Director of local and regional government. Should BT be chosen, and if Lavery takes up the position on the Board of the new partnership as is planned (instead of an elected representative of the Council), Cornwall's operations will well and truly be almost completely under the control of Kevin Lavery and his two former employers.

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by Marhak » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:21 pm

No, Currie voted against overturning the Council's decision. The rest voted to do so. I now have the names. A really representative Cabinet - 8 Tories and 4 so-called "Independents". No Lib-Dems, no MK. The only way to stop this is to get the unnecessary Cabinet abolished.

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by Ludgvan » Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:25 pm

If you are talking about the initial Cabinet meeting, the vote was:
'the Cabinet voted to process with the plans for Shared Services. Only Councillor Kaczmarek voted against, with Councillor Currie abstaining.'

from:
http://www.cllrandrewwallis.co.uk/counc ... -for-sale/

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by Marhak » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:14 pm

No, the one I'm on about happened just a week or two ago, not back in July.

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by 3cornishchoughs » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:58 pm

I received one acknowledgement to my letter of personal protest against 'Shared Services' last week, 10 days after I emailed it to all Cabinet Members (listed here with their affiliation, designation and contact details: http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/index.aspx?page=20247) including Leader Alec Robertson. The acknowledgement was from Alec Robertson's PA and reads:

"Thank you for your email of 10 September to Alec Robertson, the contents of which have been noted."

No response from any of the other Cabinet Members to date.

I also received a positive reply from the Cornwall Councillor for my ward who stressed the importance of raising your concerns to your own Cornwall Councillor so they have more grist to their mill for protesting on our behalf.

If you don't already know you can find out who your councillor is here: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ and if you contact them via this site you are possibly more likely to get a reply as TheyWorkForYou chase up non-replies.
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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by GrahamHart » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:29 pm

I'm wonder what's going on here. It was only a couple of months ago, that I discovered that all so-called Government bodies are Corporations ! :shock: It's almost as if this is being done to shift the conscious away from that fact! I don't understand why you think this is so important. You can moan and shout about it as much as you want, but you won't change their course.

However, if you take on board the fact that we and all previous generations have failed to know this, but we now no better, we can do something.

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by 3cornishchoughs » Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:51 pm

Local authorities do have corporate functions and as such register themselves as companies but that has more to do with how some of their functions are/have to be dispensed. We still vote for representatives to whom we can send petitions and engage with in a participative democracy. If what you are saying is that they're just companies and we shouldn't bother engaging with them over issues such as privatisation and shared services then surely you are abrogating your own responsibility as a participant in that democracy? This is an important issue about how authority is exercised in society. If we don't stand up for the fundamental but increasingly fragile link between government and the governed through our voting system and right to petition our representatives then it will disappear completely.
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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by GrahamHart » Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:22 am

3cornishchoughs wrote:Local authorities do have corporate functions...
Then can you please tell me what are they and why ?
...and as such register themselves as companies but that has more to do with how some of their functions are/have to be dispensed.
Corporations and Companies are set up for one reason : To make a profit and answer to their shareholders; though I stand to be corrected.
We still vote for representatives to whom we can send petitions and engage with in a participative democracy.
Do we? Can we ? Is 51% against 49% democracy ? Yes if that's your illusion.
Freeman are of a different persuasion. Our preference is to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't infringe upon anyone else's preferences. Surely that beats democracy hands down ?
If what you are saying is that they're just companies and we shouldn't bother engaging with them over issues such as privatisation and shared services then surely you are abrogating your own responsibility as a participant in that democracy?
I take your point but you are missing mine, but I need to be very honest here. Had I not discovered Common Law [less than three months ago] I would equally have been up in arms the same as everyone else. No doubt about it.
However, know I know otherwise, the position you are taking is null and void because they already are a Private Company and THAT dear friends is what we should be up in arms about !
We've been conned for 100's of years, but now the cat is out of the bag,{ or, we've evolved enough to see through their game} It's a helluva shock, I think you'll agree. And as long as this fascist elite stay in control, I want nothing more to do with them.
This is an important issue about how authority is exercised in society.
I totally agree. Therefore, I propose we tear this system down and start again.
If we don't stand up for the fundamental but increasingly fragile link between government and the governed through our voting system and right to petition our representatives then it will disappear completely.
My initial response to that 3cc is: We have no rights, voice, vote or anything else. Tell me what freedoms we have left because as freeman John Harris said; "It won't be long before a carpenter can't put a pencil behind his ear due to Health and Safety!"

Fundamental is an interesting word. Serving as, or being an essential part of. What is essentially left of our so-called freedoms that's what I want to know ? Personally, I can't subscribe anymore to a system that wants never ending wars, starvation, child abuse, child trafficking and all the other evils committed by these out and out criminals, and as I and millions of others are beginning to see, the only way to stop it; is by not supporting it.

Thank you for keeping the discussion going 3cc.

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by Morgawr » Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:37 pm

This outsourcing is being pushed through at an indecent speed.
CSC have hired a firm of lobbyists in the UK and have had several meetings with Government
departments already, so it looks like a shoe-in. They want to run NHS and DWP services, so add local government
to the list. Their glossy website actively boasts of Data Harvesting, so it will be a goldmine of personal data for them.
My one feeble form of protest, for a little ol' dear, will be to borrow library books with provocative titles. Data harvest that then moi luvvers!
Seriously though, this raises questions about the future of local democracy being undermined and the commodification of personal data. (For the evils of lobbying, see the film "Casino Jack", with Kevin Spacey.)
Cornwall is being used as a guinea pig in a global social experiment.

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by Morgawr » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:19 pm

In the Public Accounts Committee Report on 18th July 2011, on I.T. for the NHS, concerns were raised about the company contracted for the project.

I quote "We consider it essential that ...the Government gives serious consideration to whether CSC has proved itself fit to tender for other government work."

So why was it diverted to Cornwall local government services? If not good enough for the NHS as a whole, why would the same contractor(s) now be considered viable to run Cornish services? Do they think we wouldn't notice?
It begs the question, if big corporates pay their advisors for "strategic intelligence", why didn't their research chappies realize
how determined the Cornish can be when they feel aggrieved! A quick review of internet chatter shows this is just beginning to cause ripples out there in PR circles.

Time for another "Pasty-ing" perhaps? (They do so like to use that stereotype when writing about us in the IT community)
We are not technophobes down here. We just like proper scrutiny of public services and accountability for the budget. Is that too much to ask of our elected officials?

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by Marhak » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:22 pm

Seems so.

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by Roger Lowry » Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:22 pm

Did any one see the letter from Terry Reed (Martel Associates) in the West Briton on Thursday? Very interesting!

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Re: Cornwall Council Privatisation

Post by 3cornishchoughs » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:08 am

Quick reply as off to work.

GH: Agree with most of your points and it makes for an interesting perspective. I am just taking an alternative view. I don't necessarily agree that Local Authorities should also be corporate entities--just the current reality that they are. However the issue of privatising important services that should be, as per our system at the moment, democratically accountable is different because a small coterie (the cabinet) have allowed themselves to be bullied and frightened by civil servants into thinking this is the only way to provide services and amenity to those of use who contribute tax and (flawed as it is) vote for representatives in cyclical elections.

While we have this flawed system we can continue to be appalled by it, and not surprised by its decisions, but we should also make a noise when whatever democracy is inherent in it is further eroded, i.e. the minority, fuelled by an unelected businessman, ignore the will of the elected majority.

There is no doubt that the pressure that has been placed on the Council Cabinet has made a difference ad feathers have been ruffled but it remains to be seen whether they'll continue with dirty tricks to sign contracts and then claim they cannot be undone.

I would love to tear down this 'system'. You should have a read of the text of the Local Government Act 1888 and 1894 too and then also its various revisions. 1974 was probably the worst for the way UK regions were to be administered.
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