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Post by FreakoMbiko » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:21 am

Hi

Where is this slogan from: "For One and All"

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Post by Coady » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:47 am

Freako, two minutes of Googling found this on http://celtic-son.com.
Googling = research, ......anyone can do it......Graham.


"The history of the shield of the Duchy (15 Gold Bezants on a background of sable, or black) is a popular legend but subject to some debate. The legend states that at the time of the crusades in the 12th century, a Cornish Earl was captured by the Saracens and a ransom of 15 gold bezants demanded. On hearing this news, the people of Cornwall rallied to the Earl's aid and raised this huge sum, so securing his release. The motto is said to honour the fact that the Cornish people, "one and all", raised this sum.

However, there is another account that whilst it offers no explanation for the design, does somewhat refute the legend;

The bezants are a direct link with the days when Cornwall was an independent Earldom. Cadoc, Earl of Cornwall at the time of the Norman invasion, had for his arms "a black shield garnished with golden bosses or roundels" - in heraldic terms "Sable bezantee" i.e. a black ground covered with as many yellow discs as can conveniently be placed thereon. Heraldry, it is true, was not reduced to a system until 1483 but the bearing of coat-armour was in force for a great period before that time...............

...........The name of the yellow (gold) roundels, "bezants", is derived from that of the principal gold coins of medieval times. The suggestion that the Crusaders returning from the Holy Land decorated their shields with gold coins and thus gave them the name, is no more reasonable than to assume that some stuck apples on their shield and so originated the name of pommes. As for stories of ransom and of pawn-brokers, they can be dismissed as sheer fiction. "Bezantee" is a term used when any number above 8 are depicted. If 8 or less are shown their arrangement must be specified."



I'm afraid you'll have to make up your own mind which to believe!"



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Post by FreakoMbiko » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:14 am

Thanks for the answer Graham:)


Coady said:
On hearing this news, the people of Cornwall rallied to the Earl's aid and raised this huge sum, so securing his release. The motto is said to honour the fact that the Cornish people, "one and all", raised this sum.



I don't think we would do that for Charlie today:P

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Post by Coady » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:33 pm

Don't run away with the idea that HRH Charles, Duke of Cornwall is UNIVERSALLY unpopular.

It may seem so on here (C24) and other places, but he can still generate a good turn out of flag waving fans!
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Post by FreakoMbiko » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:10 pm


Coady said:
Don't run away with the idea that HRH Charles, Duke of Cornwall is UNIVERSALLY unpopular.

It may seem so on here (C24) and other places, but he can still generate a good turn out of flag waving fans!



I blame the mums!

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Post by Coady » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:40 pm

Wait until/if he becomes King Charles 111!!!

Cornwall will empty like a Twickenham day, and Cornish people will be lining the Mall cheering and flag waving!

They will be able to use the same flags to welcome William, Duke of Cornwall, on his first tour of Cornwall......
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Post by Cawsando » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:13 pm

We have to contact William early and get him to understand the cornish question before he becomes duke.

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Post by FreakoMbiko » Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:43 am


Cawsando said:
We have to contact William early and get him to understand the cornish question before he becomes duke.




That's a good idea:)

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Post by P_Trembath » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:59 am


Coady said:
Wait until/if he becomes King Charles 111!!!



I know the first 2, but when did the other 108 Charles's sit on the Throne?


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Post by TheElvenLord » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:38 pm

We really do need to contact him.

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Post by ThingsThatGoFlirInTheShla » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:43 pm


Cawsando said:
We have to contact William early and get him to understand the cornish question before he becomes duke.



BUMP BUMP BUMP!!!!

Very, very good idea. A collaborative letter perhaps? The young chap's only busy with parking his chopper in the Mrs' back garden (to paraphrase Jeremy Clarkson).

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Post by Anselm » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:22 pm

Interesting idea!
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