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Post by kbcl1 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:24 pm

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AN UNPRECENTED COLONIAL MURDER SPREE COMES BACK TO HAUNT BRITAIN

The case brought this week by five Kenyan citizens in the UK High Court has the potential to open up to scrutiny the vicious campaign waged by the British government and colonial authorities to suppress the nationalist uprising of the Kenya Land and Freedom Army in the 1950s. Many of the violent techniques used by the UK were eventually deployed elsewhere including in Ulster. Many of the British army officers who honed their violent and torturous counter-insurgency skills in Kenya went on to train those who served in Ulster. In fact so deep-seated were the `lessons' of the Kenya conflict that the British Army in Iraq was perpetrating the same techniques of torture on detainees as their predecessors had done half a century before.

Already solicitors acting for the five have forced the United Kingdom government to admit that a staggering fifteen thousand documents previously thought lost which were removed from Kenya just prior to independence are still in existence. Many of these files document in graphic detail the abuse meted out by the British to detainees.

The admission has implications for similarly bloody episodes in the UK colonial past with hitherto unseen files on British `insurgent' suppression operations in Malaya, Cyprus, Palestine and Aden thought to be gathering dust in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office archives.

It's a testament to the success of British government propaganda that for over fifty years the rising by what were termed `Mau Mau' insurgents has seen the Kenyan freedom fighters portrayed as bloodthirsty and vicious with most of the publicised atrocities laid at their door.

The truth which has started to emerge in recent years has reflected that there was indeed a vicious war fought in Kenya but most of the atrocities were committed by the security forces and documented testimony indicates that the British Army, Police and Auxiliaries engaged in acts which were not only violent but bestial and depraved.
The three men and two women involved in today's case say they suffered castration, sexual abuse and severe beatings in detention camps administered by the British rule and now want an apology and financial compensation. Their claims and the recently revealed `secret' files will give increased credence to recent more objective books on the fight of the Kenya Land and Freedom Army including David Anderson's (2005). Histories of the Hanged: The Dirty War in Kenya and the End of Empire and by Caroline Elkins (2005). Britain's Gulag: The Brutal End of Empire in Kenya.
Anderson's book reveals a staggering 1090 executions of insurgents occurred and Elkins puts the death toll caused by the counter-insurgency at over 70,000 (and possibly in the hundreds of thousands).
Techniques learned in Kenya were exported elsewhere to deal with problems in other areas the British regarded as trouble-spots. Kenyan security techniques were even extrapolated to the British Isles where the practice of running counter-gangs and murder squads was used to infamous effect by the British security forces in the six counties with protestant paramilitaries playing the role of `compliant natives'.

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Post by Cormorant » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:19 pm

Has the Celtic League a branch in Kenya?

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Post by Cormorant » Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:21 pm

Another Murder Spree

http://tinyurl.com/c7bdy2

Closer to home and more recent.

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Post by Marhak » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:32 am

And how many Irish people died, were dispossessed, or otherwise ruined under the jackboot of England's Black and Tans? (Or, as the song puts it so well: Britannia's Huns).

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Post by Cormorant » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:19 am

Marhak wrote:And how many Irish people died, were dispossessed, or otherwise ruined under the jackboot of England's Black and Tans? (Or, as the song puts it so well: Britannia's Huns).
Absolutely no idea.

You're the "historian".

You tell me.

I do know that posting news of past massacres by anyone comes with a price.

"People in glass houses"?

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Post by Marhak » Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:44 am

Well, at least there isn't a Cornish equivalent of Pol Pot. No Russells, Greys or Kingstons, no Henry VIII's (responsible for the deaths of an estimated 70,000 people). Our conscience is therefore clear.

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Post by P_Trembath » Fri Apr 08, 2011 9:42 am

Cormorant, Omagh was an appalling incident, carried out by a small group of people who, after years of living through "the Troubles" have become brutalised, criminalised, and marginalised.

Derry, 1972, another appalling incident, this time carried out by an organisation of the state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

Whenever anyone posts something remotely connected with an atrocity carried out by a "recognised" state, especially if that state is the UK, then you come charging in with some reference to an act carried out by one or other of the various IRA incarnations, in the vane hope that it negates the atrocity by the state.

It does not.

The state has no more "right" to kill or maim than anyone else, in fact it has less "right" to do so as one of it's main functions is to protect those individuals over whom it claims authority.
The thousands that were killed and maimed by the state, the forces of the UK, in Kenya are considerably more than those killed and maimed by all sides during "the Troubles" in Ulster. Is this acceptable because the atrocities were carried out by "your" side? or is it a case of it being so far away, it makes no difference to you, and the Natives should have known their place anyway.

Are you able to condemn the despicable actions of "your" state?

Or, are you one of the "My country, right or wrong" brigade?
Everyone, Cornish or otherwise, has their own particular part to play. No part is too great or too small; no one is too old or too young to do something.

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Post by Cormorant » Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:04 am

Or, are you one of the "My country, right or wrong" brigade?

I make no excuses for the horrendous actions of those that murder others, "state" or otherwise.

But, it seems that you do?


Cormorant, Omagh was an appalling incident, carried out by a small group of people who, after years of living through "the Troubles" have become brutalised, criminalised, and marginalised.

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Post by Marhak » Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:37 am

As usual, Shaggy, you're looking at this with one-dimensional vision. Behind every effect, reprehensible though that may be, there is a cause. Usually just as reprehensible, often more so.

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Post by kbcl1 » Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:21 pm

The State should act within the law, the law set by British and more importantly European and other International Conventions. Sadly, the English dominated system has a history of war crimes hidden down the years but now coming to light. Justice will be done:

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Saville-Report

http://www.themcgurksbarmassacre.com/massacre.html

http://www.thisiswesternmorningnews.co. ... ticle.html

1549 and all that

This year – as in previous years – we commemorate what has become known as the Cornish Holocaust.

This title is no exaggeration when you consider the horrors inflicted on the Cornish in 1549 – in the name of religion.

In that year the cream of Cornwall’s intelligensia, including many priests from Glasney College at Penryn, plus many ordinary devout people, were surrounded midway between Exeter and Honiton and executed.

Their crime was to protest at the compulsory imposition of the English language in their church services. They spoke Cornish, they understood Latin, but they had little or no knowledge of English. This move effectively prevented them from worshipping in their own churches.

It has been estimated that one in 10 adults in Cornish were slaughtered in the ensuing religious clampdown.

As a result the English Book of Common Prayer was placed in every church and the already threatened demise of the Cornish language took a dramatic downward step.

On Saturday the ancient town of Penryn will again incorporate into its annual fair a short memorial service for all the fallen Cornish down through the ages.

It will be held at the Memorial Stone (by the traffic lights, at the quay) in Penryn at 12.30pm.

Some might argue that these events only serve to rake up the past and lead to further divisions. But perhaps we would all do well to remember the dangers of extremism.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5360432.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/may/21/military.iraq

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 49342.html

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Post by Cormorant » Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:07 pm

It is to be expected, I suppose, (coming from my one-dimensional viewpoint).

That any example of murder that I quote will be "topped" by those quoting "worse" atrocities.

Murder is murder, whether it is "state-sponsored" or seen as a "legitimate act", by those who see their "struggle" only in one-dimension, that of violence.

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Post by P_Trembath » Fri Apr 08, 2011 3:59 pm

Cormorant wrote:Or, are you one of the "My country, right or wrong" brigade?

I make no excuses for the horrendous actions of those that murder others, "state" or otherwise.

But, it seems that you do?


Cormorant, Omagh was an appalling incident, carried out by a small group of people who, after years of living through "the Troubles" have become brutalised, criminalised, and marginalised.
I am not making excuses, just stating facts. If you wish to discuss the recent situation in NI, then start a new thread.

You, however, are avoiding my question.

kbc1 is totally correct when he says "The State should act within the law". If the state breaks the law, the law that it made, then how can it expect those over whom it claims authority not to break those same laws. In fact, by breaking those laws, does it not ruin it's credibility, and hence it's right to claim authority in the first place?
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Post by Cormorant » Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:03 pm

Are you able to condemn the despicable actions of "your" state? Yes.


Or, are you one of the "My country, right or wrong" brigade? No.

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Post by Marhak » Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:11 pm

Glad to hear it.

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Post by Marhak » Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:38 pm

On the evening of Aug. 5 1549, after the Battles of Fenny Bridges and Woodbury Common and immediately after the Battle of Clyst St Mary, the English forces commanded by Lord John Russell encamped on Clyst Heath. Russell started to fret about the burden of the 900 Cornish prisoners he held and discussed the matter with Lord William Grey. An order was issued and the lanzknechts, German mercenaries under Grey's command, slit the throats of all 900 prisoners, taking just ten minutes to complete the atrocity. (These facts do not come from a Cornish source, but from John Hayward, official biographer of Edward VI). It was probably nothing to the Lanzknechts - they'd done similar things in their own country during the Peasants' Revolt.

In the morning, when the news reached the Cornish forces beseiging Exeter, 2,000 enraged Cornishmen rushed Clyst Heath and enaged the English forces in a vicious battle which lasted all day, and in which thousands were killed on both sides. The English army forced victory only by the advantage of having a trained cavalry force. Lord Grey afterwards remarked that he had never take part in such a murderous conflict, nor had he ever seen the like. One has to take that very seriously, coming, as it did, from the man who had led the chargea against the Scots at Musselburgh.

This murderous streak seemed to run in Grey's family. In 1580, his own son, Lord Arthur Grey, whilst Governor of Ireland, gave orders for 600 unarmed men to be similarly murdered at Smerwick.

The 5 battles between Cornwall and England in 1549 rank among the biggest, nastiest and bloodiest battles ever fought on British soil. Yet, to this day, "English" Heritage refuses to acknowledge them or enter them on the Register of British Battlefields. To add insult to injury, EH's "historians" reduce this all-out war to a mere "rebellion", and mount exhibitions glorifying Grey's "colourful lanzknechts".

(Yes, we know Devonians sided with the Cornish - they were largely Dartmoor tinners, with an equally badly treated Stannary Parliament, and who most likely identified themselves more closely with the Cornish than with other Devonians, especilly bearing in mind that until 600 years earlier, the Cornish-English border had been the Taw-Exe line).

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