"Jowal Lethesow" dyllys in Kernowek

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Post by Eddie-C » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:21 pm

`Wikipedia has an article on Lyonesse (fwiw):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyonesse


Eric Partridge's etymological dictionary 'Roots' (2nd edn., 1959) --of which I found a copy after many years of impecunious searching-- offers this:
Lyonesse.
Occasionally Leonnoys, derives from Middle French Leonois, Old French Loenois or Loonois, Middle Latin Loonia, apparently ultimately from the root of Lothian in Scotland but, in Arthurian legend, applied to a fabled country, lying between Cornwall and the Scilly Isles.


Cobham Brewer's delightful 'Dictionary of Phrase & Fable' (12th edn., 1970) says about Lyonesse:
"A rich tract of land fabled to stretch between Land's End and the Scilly Isles on which stood the City of Lions and some 140 churches. King Arthur came from this mythical country.
"That sweet land of Lyonesse" was, according the Spenser (The Faerie Queen), the birthplace of Tristram, and, according to Tennyson, the scene of King Arthur's death.
Of Faery damsels met in forest wide
By knights of Logres, or of Lyones,
Lancelot, or Pelleas, or Pellenore.
Milton. Paradise Regained, II, 359.

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Post by Gorvrywi » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:50 pm

If I can get an English copy of Alys or perhaps A dro an Bys which copies were they translated from, as to get the best comparison? 
And if I do decide to get them (or all of them? it is Christmas soon!) Or if I could find a copy of The Lyonesse stone, (or any other book that you can think of?) which would be most suited to someone who could read An kynsa lyver quite easily and looking for the next step?  (I was stumped by a couple of new words! :P )

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Post by Karesk » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:56 pm

If you were stumped by a couple of new words, why not get the new Gerlyver Meur?

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Post by Anselm » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:15 pm

kio2 said:Nag ew NJW dean a Gernow , Thewa Sows! 





A leun golonn y'th pysav a skonya an kowsow ma yn kever goes-ha-dor. Gas henna dhe'n tu arall: rann a'ga frederow i yw flows gwenoenek a'n par na.
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Post by Anselm » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:19 pm

kio2 said:Nyns yw Kernewek Savonek an keth yeth ha an skrifysi,  nagew Kernuack Cumpas an kethe eyth ha Bosen,Lhuyd,Krewe etc.  Fals yw Kernowek Standard.

Unnver ov genes dell hevel skrifans ha kowsans Nynja pur goynt dhe lagasow ha skovarnow tus hedhyw. Mes y koedh dhyn ni ri spas dhodho, ha synsi y ober ev dhe'n pyth a dal. Dhe'n gradhow may fynn ev gul devnydh gweythresek  a'gan yeth, onan ahanan ev yw.
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'Against a promontory my ship' Rump L. Stiltz-Kinn

'With regret I feel that unless you have a serious change of heart your presence at the Mennaye on Cornish Pirates match days is no longer desired.'
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Post by Anselm » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:21 pm

marhak said:
Seys yw 'agan Wella', ynwedh, Reeves.



Ad hominem [rag dalleth!]
Anselm

'Against a promontory my ship' Rump L. Stiltz-Kinn

'With regret I feel that unless you have a serious change of heart your presence at the Mennaye on Cornish Pirates match days is no longer desired.'
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Post by Anselm » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:24 pm

marhak said:

Me reeg ownackhe hanter maraw!  Hedda vedn deske thotha ha eve toaz ubba omsenge dresta nye.  Scoggan coath!
Ha pew igge goofen?  Thera why clappia onketh, pecarra Price, an scoggan.  Mava crya e honen 'Squeer'!
Trevelyan!  Thew hanaw pleaw, nag iggeva pecarra Price.  Eea, moze, dreffan why tha boaze Kernowas, me vedn laull thewh a peath venga why gothaz.  Pandra wheal tha goz coweth why?
Poison onketh?  Nag ewa wheal rag skeeans lozo.  Why dale meeras than ventidniow zans.
Lebben, peniel an ventidniow a vetha?  Madern?  Na . . . diswreze ew.  Gulval?  Thew eve vaze rag fortidnia en ednack.  Cheple Euny, metessen?  Na termen ew droag.  Nag ew vaze buz war an kensa Marhar en Meeze Mea.  Alsia?  Eea, Alsia, hedda ew a niel da.  Dowr Venton Alsia ra owna goz coweth why.  La joy, laverez ew.  Lebben, voyde alebma; staver o ve!


Brav ha bryntin, mes unn difyk usi omma: re verr yw.
Anselm

'Against a promontory my ship' Rump L. Stiltz-Kinn

'With regret I feel that unless you have a serious change of heart your presence at the Mennaye on Cornish Pirates match days is no longer desired.'
Rod Coward
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Post by Anselm » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:29 pm

Kyns ytho y tybyen vy na wodhya Craig skrifa Kernewek. Y'n eur ma y hwonn vy bones henna kamm hys-ha-hys. Y hwor ev hy skrifa yn fryntin, mes dewis a wra ev omwitha rag gul yndella. Ny allav na ny vynnav degemeres onan a'n askusyow ydhil ma. Yma gans peub huni ahanan kans ha mil a draow dhe'ga gul, nale es dell usi gans Craig. Yma dever warnodho skrifa mwy, ha ri dhyn lyvrow dien a y ober y honan.
Anselm

'Against a promontory my ship' Rump L. Stiltz-Kinn

'With regret I feel that unless you have a serious change of heart your presence at the Mennaye on Cornish Pirates match days is no longer desired.'
Rod Coward
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Cornish Pirates

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Post by Evertype » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:14 am

Gorvrywi said:If I can get an English copy of Alys or perhaps Adro an Bÿs which copies were they translated from, as to get the best comparison?

If you'd like a matching set, you can get both Alys in Pow an Anethow and Alice's Adventures in Wonderland from Evertype:http://www.evertype.com/books/alys.html ... alice.html

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Post by Karesk » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:07 am

Martesen ny wrug peub degemeres an "process" FSS, mes lemmyn agan bardh an moyha y askor a skrif yn maner a allav vy konvedhes moy es. Tim, a vynta treylya dha vardhonek koth dhe'th lytherennans nowyth?

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Post by Marhak » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:44 pm

The present list of projects come first, Tim, if I ever hope to make any money from this bleary ole world.  There are people far more competent than me who could be doing it, though.  And aren't.  Perhaps you can ask them why they aren't?

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Post by Marhak » Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:50 pm

While I'm on, Tim, how come a grizzled old bugger like you can sire such a beautiful daughter?  I came across her on YouTube:  Celtic Legend featuring Gwenno.  And a song in Cornish, too.  I presume you wrote the lyrics as the title appears in 'Saundrek': Ysolt y'nn Gweinten.  Filmed at Lanyon Quoit, Roche Rock and Porthcurno beach.
Beautiful girl, beautiful singer, beautiful song.  In fact, an outstanding song.  Ryal dra, sos!

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Post by Karesk » Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:15 pm

Dhe Nadelik, Ken George a vynn gwary peldros gans Nicholas Williams.

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Post by Marhak » Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:10 pm

Subbuteo, I trust.

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