Medhes vs. Leverel

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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by Karesk » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:28 am

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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by Karesk » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:29 am

Give us a few words for horse-speech, Marhak.

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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by Marhak » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:36 am

Off the top of my head, Late Cornish has knihias, 'whinny'.

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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by kernev » Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:35 pm

There is nothing wrong with Browns Grammar as Eddie states (GanO is Eddie Climo,his style in English and his attempts at Unified Cornish are similar)' it is not full of errors, it is for more advanced students.Eddie knows not of what he talks about.
Go to Goky blog to see latest publications by Gwask o Eddie.

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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by Karesk » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:17 pm

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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by Karesk » Fri Oct 08, 2010 5:53 pm

In my opinion GanO is to be commended and thanked for his Cornish publications, both classics like Trystan hag Ysolt and new books for young people. I don't like to see his work in that direction mocked and sneered at. But I agree, I'm not confident of his competence to judge whether a grammar book is or isn't full of errors, and I don't much like to see him mocking and sneering at Wella Brown and other people either.
To be honest, I don't know why I let myself get involved in this toxic sfuff. I think I'll stick to talking about Cornish.

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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by Anselm » Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:18 pm

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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by spencer a-n-gwruk » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:33 pm

To be fair to both sides, from what I can see of Wella Brown's works, he has donw two sort of 'step-by-step' grammars ( Skeul An Yeth) - though I cannot remember any exercises in them?- and his Grammar of Modern Cornish which doesn't purport to be a 'fun' book but a comprehensive reference grammar. My own Cornish is a bit to fragmentary to be able to judge its accuracy though it is undeniable a lot of other Cornish authorities have dished it over the years as too artificial. Presumably his enthusiasm for KK might be to blame for that. Is Mr Brown still alive?
My own recommendations for good old UC would be Hilary Shaw's courses, 'the Kernewek Sowyn' series and the very entertaining Clive Barker's phrase book. Wonder if either of them visit this site?
Peter Pool's book is indeed a gem. He was a proper old scholar and didn't like KK!!

A question related to the medhes/leverel 'reporting' type verbs that can introduce a reported, dependent clause: how does one say : ' I wonder if ...' ' I wonder what..' etc ?

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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by kernev » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:12 am

The grammar is the same as his UC edition, and is no different from the grammars of Smith in Cornish Simplified or others of the revival so it has nothing to do with KK, just sour grapes on the part of others. There probably isn't a grammar book in any language in the whole wide world that some poor academic could not find fault with.
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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by kernev » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:14 am

Yes he is still alive.

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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by kernev » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:23 am

Oh and they are discussing 'box' on the Spelly list if you care to visit, and you wish to write about a box, kyst, or kist ,or keest, or ceest, or kyst with funny marks over it, all so confusing ! maybe a porn site in Cornish would attact more visitors .

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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by Evertype » Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:52 am

But Gandalf stood firm.

"You cannot pass," he said. The orcs stood still, and a dead silence fell. "I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udûn. Go back to the Shadow! You cannot pass."

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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by GanO » Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:42 pm

Mes Gandalf a sevys fast.

"Tremena ny yllough," yn meth. An orkys a sevys stak, ha taw a'n beth a eskynnyas.

"Gwas an Tan Cuth of, Cledhyer flam Anor. Tremena ny yllough. An tan tewl ny dal dheugh man, flam Udûn. Dewheleugh dhe'n Skes! Tremena ny yllough."
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"An Gwyr a'gas delyrf." Jow.8:32
"Dyllen dampnys kyn fen!"

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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by kernev » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:49 pm

The problem with Eddie C and Weatherhill, they make accusations ie re Brown's Grammar, or the Kesva etc without backing them up.
Regarding Brown's grammar,I know he reconstructs verbal tenses and endings , but so did Nance and Smith, but as a whole the Grammar is sound, and there are different styple that people use, and mostly people will use the auxilliary verbs in spoken speach anyway .I know Brown could have used examples from the texts, but that would have doubled the price and size of the book.maybe that is for another day.

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Re: Medhes vs. Leverel

Post by spencer a-n-gwruk » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:45 pm

Wella Brown must be an old man now. Is he still active in the language?
One doesn't hear much about him or Richard Gendall, for that matter.
As for Spellyans, if they are discussing the finer points of orthography, I hardly think that is surprising or off putting. After all it IS a linguistic site!
If you want muck ( even Cornish sleaze!) and there's a market for it no one's stopping you so long a you don't 'trick' us into them!
Still waiting for advice on how to translate ' I wonder..plus dependent noun clause.

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