How do I say congratulations?

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How do I say congratulations?

Post by beniastrolab » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:02 pm

Well...a bit more than that!

How would I congratulate someone on the birth of their baby girl Kitty in Cornish?

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Re: How do I say congratulations?

Post by GanO » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:11 pm

Keslowena! Lowen of rak denythyans agas myrghyk Kitty!

You might use 'genesygeth' instead of 'denythyans'.

The only suitable Cornish I can find for kitty is 'cathyk' (kitten); the financial kind wouldn't suit her!
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Re: How do I say congratulations?

Post by beniastrolab » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:30 pm

That's brilliant GanO...thank you ever so much!

Can I just check what that translates to? I can see congratulations (Keslowena) and happy (lowen)...but after that I'm stuck!

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Re: How do I say congratulations?

Post by GanO » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:50 pm

Word for word, the 2nd part could translate as,

"happy am (I) for (the) birth (of) your little-daughter Kitty",

with the implicit words in round brackets.
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Re: How do I say congratulations?

Post by beniastrolab » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:08 pm

Stunning! There's nothing like learning whilst I'm passing on my best wishes!

Thank you!

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Re: How do I say congratulations?

Post by spencer a-n-gwruk » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:17 pm

Yes, and in 'proper' Cornish too!

Another tricky one-how to say:-

'I have seen the man to whose wife you were so rude.' ?!

'An actress, the like of whom we shall never see again.' ?!

Really tricky relative constructions!

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Re: How do I say congratulations?

Post by Morvil » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:59 am

spencer a-n-gwruk (11 Oct 2010 22:17) a leverys:
"Another tricky one-how to say:-
'I have seen the man to whose wife you were so rude.' ?!
'An actress, the like of whom we shall never see again.' ?!"
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Here's my attempt:
'I have seen the man to whose wife you were so rude.'
"My re welas an den mayth esewgh mar arow dhedhy."

Instead of garow for "rude" you could also use ungrassyes:
"My re welas an den mayth esewgh mar ungrassyes dhedhy."

Giving the sentence a more Late Cornish flavour you could say:
"Ma gwelys genam an den leb erew’whei mar arow (ungrassyes) dhedhy."

Now for the other sentence:
'An actress, the like of whom we shall never see again.'
"An wariores a’n par, ma na welyn (ni) nevra arta."
or:
"An actores a’n par, ma na wevedhyn (ni) nevra arta."

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Re: How do I say congratulations?

Post by Anselm » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:04 am

Most of us would say 'gwariores' for 'actress'. (Before you ask, 'bishop' is 'eskop'.)
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Re: How do I say congratulations?

Post by Karesk » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:53 am

Is "wevedhyn" a word I don't know (one of the many) or did you mean "welvedhyn" for the future of gweles?
Is there any difference in when these kind of future tenses are used as against the present/future?

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Re: How do I say congratulations?

Post by Morvil » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:32 pm

Yes, I meant welvedhyn; the l got lost in Typoland. I treat this as a slightly archaic literary future tense while the present-future has multiple applications such as general statements, future etc.

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Re: How do I say congratulations?

Post by spencer a-n-gwruk » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:29 pm

Morvil,

Thanks for that. I think I can see all the elements in your contruction except any reference to the man's wife?!
Forgive me if my Cornish is just too deficient or I'm just being obtuse in not seeing it. As I read your sentence it would translate to me ' I have seen the man to whom you were so ungracious.' Word for word in the Cornish : I have seen the man that you were so ungracious to her.' ( Is the feminine prep pronoun what indicates 'wife'?)

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Re: How do I say congratulations?

Post by Karesk » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:57 pm

I think Morvil forgot the wife. (poor woman, her self-esteem must be at a low ebb by now). I guess it would be "My re welas an den mayth esewgh mar arow dh'y wreg."

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Re: How do I say congratulations?

Post by Morvil » Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:19 am

Yes, I did, sorry. Brain was on the may. Anyway, I also should have used the short form of bos (if the rudeness was continuous) or the preterite (if there was a single act of rudeness)... I'll try again:

'I have seen the man to whose wife you were so rude.'
My re welas an den mayth ewgh whi mar arow dh'y wreg. (continually rude)
My re welas an den may fewgh whi mar arow dh'y wreg. (rude once)

Thanks for the feedback, Karesk.

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