Evertype wrote:We do not believe that Ken has made a case for two long o's. o serves for [oː]~[ɔ] and oo serves for [oː] which alternates with RLC [uː]. This is the same in the SWF and in KS, as far as I know.
Not 100%. The SWF uses <o> to represent [ɔː], which KS spells <au>.
Ah, well, that is an unnecessary ambiguity which is easily corrected (by the adoption of au
SWF <mos> is supposed to be pronounced [mɔːz] in both RMC and RLC (although the range of realisations in the latter ranges from [ɒː] to [ɔː]).
We have discussed this before, but I still cannot understand why KS recommends the pronunciations [moːz] and [doːz] for 'go' and 'come', going against Lhuyd's transcriptions as well as the recommended pronunciations in UC, UCR, KK, and RLC.
In my close discussions with Neil Kennedy (in Vannes in late 2006 or early 2007), he and I discussed whether we needed to mark these two words as môs
, because they are pronounced differently in RMC and RLC. Yes, Neil pronounces them as [mɒːz] and [dɒːz], rhyming with brâs
[brɒːz]. In reality, on the ground, what UC recommends is simply not implemented by anybody. Even taking into account anglicized glide vowels like [oʊ] or [əʊ], the phoneme that UC/UCR users use for these words is long /o/, not long /ɔ/ and not long /ɒ/. RMC mos
rhyme with ros
'rose' and in RLC mos
([mɒːz] and [dɒːz]) do not rhyme with RLC rôs
[roːz]. The reason we don't write môs
to show that these have an RMC/RLC alternation is simply that Neil thought that it wasn't necessary. (He also does not think it is necessary to write some monosyllables in -i
and some in -y
Do you think KS (in its own lights) would be more accurate if we did write môs
By the way, please do not go out of your way to cite UCR recommendations of 2000 in this context. Since 2006 our analysis of Revived Cornish has recognized that UCR's repetition of un-implemented UC recommendations was unwise. We are content to recommend RMC [moːz] and [doːz] and [roːz] and RLC [mɒːz] and [dɒːz] against [roːz]. Again, we haven't indicated the alternation because RLC's best linguist said he didn't think it was necessary.